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Showing posts with label Gates. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Gates. Show all posts

Sunday, December 2, 2012

Joseph Boyce Andrus History


I haven’t documented much of the work that I have done this past week.  I have been going through my records of the descendants of Lysander Gee to update the missing Individual Ordinances.  I have found a few ordinances that need to be completed.  I will wait until I have gone through all the 9 pages and then compile a list to share with members of the family.

Emma Maude Gee (my grandfather Gee's sister) was married to Joseph Boyce Andrus.  I found a history written by Betty June High, as told to her by her mother Thelma Maude Andrus High, a daughter of Joseph Boyce Andrus and Emma Maude Gee Andrus.  I felt that it was appropriate to put this in Family Tree.  In order to do this, I first put it in the Lysander Gee website and then made a link in the sources in Family Tree to the document on the Lysander Gee website.

The PIN for Joseph is: KWZX-2SB.

I also taught the Sunday school class how to print from Family Tree. Next week I will teach how to reserve ordinances in Family Tree.

The work progresses.


  

Monday, November 19, 2012

Watching the Records


Today I received my weekly watch e-mail from Family Search.  It recorded the changes that I had made.  I only had four changes on records that I was watching. I was the author of two and there was one each from Julia Corry from St. George and Larry Jensen.

The most interesting of the two was the additions by Larry Jensen.  He added some sources to the record of Frances Gates Wiley.   Frances is the daughter of Maryette Rowe Gates Gee.  Of the most interest to me was a copy of the death certificate for Frances.  For some unexplained reason Maryette gave Frances to Simeon and Dorcas Milliken Andrews to raise.  The Family Tree record shows both sets of parents with the correct relationship status in each case.  There is an additional source added, that of the 1870 census where Frances age 23 is listed as the wife of James Wiley with two children.
The last source was a headstone from Find A Grave. 

Larry and I have corresponded over the years.  He is pursuing the descendants of Maryette and Hirum and I am concentrating on the descendants of Maryette and  Lysander.

Had I not placed a watch on Frances Gates Wiley, I would have missed this added information.

When I was growing up my parents read from the works of Munro Leaf.  One of these books was called the Watchbirds.  I am glad that I have Watchbirds watching my changes to Family Tree.  Do you have your Watchbirds watching changes to your ancestors?  Try it you might find it interesting.

Julia brought to my attention that Mary Elizabeth Bates the spouse of Orlando Lysander Gee has duplicate parents.  This needs to be corrected.  I will put this on my list unless Julia decides to make the correction.

There is work enough for all to do.  It helps to have helpers.

Sunday, April 1, 2012

An e-mail from my cousin Lamont

In trying to find out where the misinformation about Frances Gates as a spouse of Caroline Gee came from I wrote an e-mail to my cousin Lamont. His father, Lynn, was the premier genealogist of the siblings in his family.

Dear Lamont,

I suppose that you still have your father's genealogy records. Here is a problem that I came upon. Perhaps you could look at the family group sheet that he submitted and see if there is documentation as to where he got the information.

I then attached the e-mail that I sent to Family Search Support.

Here is his reply:

Laurence,

Dad was not very good at documenting his sources. Much of what he got was found at the family history library in Salt Lake and, I think, from various paper records collected from here and there and everywhere.
There isn't any way for me to backtrack to a source. So, if you are confident of your information then, by all means, make the corrections as you deem appropriate.

LaMont

Comment:
Historically there were two separate calls for members of the church to submit four generations of family group sheets to the church. This was called the four generation program. Thousands of sheets were submitted and collected and organized by surname in binders and were available to members of the church. When I saw the collection it was on the East wing of the second floor of the Joseph Smith Memorial building.

Volunteers took those records and entered each sheet into a computer database. This became known as the Ancestral File. It was not uncommon for people to copy the sheets and make that part of their personal database. There was little data quality control of the submitted sheets. Thus if the data was entered onto a sheet, it was considered correct. There was quality control of the data entered into the computer by the volunteers, but no checking of sources. Thus if someone submitted a sheet with erroneous information it would be perpetuated in private databases from the submitted sheets or from information from the Ancestral file.

A good example of this is the birth place of Lysander Gee. He was born in Austinburg, Ashtabula, Ohio but if you look in New Family Search and some of the records in Ancestral file you will find a birth place of Hanover, New York. Thus when these computer databases were combined to produce New Family Search all of these records were merged into one individual record perpetuating the misinformation.

Another case was that of Stephen Gee, the son of Solomon Gee, who was listed both as a male and a female. After submitting proof of his maleness, NFS wrote the following:
Dear Ivin Laurence Gee,
Re: Stephen Gee- PID (L7ZP-M7M)
Because the record with the incorrect gender was submitted by one individual, the record for Stephen Gee showing the wrong gender no longer appears in new Family Search. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Sincerely,
FamilySearch Data Administration

It takes a lot less time to submit the correct information than it does to change it once it is in the NFS database.

I believe it is our generation's responsibility to correct the records to reflect the true information. This will take patience, persistence and long-suffering on our part, but we now have many of the tools necessary to obtain the correct information.

Saturday, March 31, 2012

Websites

I received an e-mail from my cousin Loni. She had a question. It related to an incident in the life of our common ancestor, Salmon Gee. I had written a short history of Salmon Gee. I posted it on a website that I had created a few years ago. Obviously she had not had access to the website. The website is for data and photographs of Lysander Gee and his family. I give you the link below.

https://sites.google.com/site/lysandergeewebsite/

I have three websites on Google, the above Lysander Gee website and one that I maintain for the ward New Family Search class and then one for my wife and I. The latter is one that only sporadically maintain.

I also upload documents to Google Docs. I will, from time to time, give links to these sites in this blog. I also give the links in the Discussion section in New Family Search on various of my ancestors. In the next few years I will try and move all of my family history documents to the web in one of these sites. If you can't find the link you only need to e-mail me.

Wednesday, March 28, 2012

The Caroline Gee McGavin Question

The other day I wrote up a case for the support group at Family Search.

Undocumented Spouse
Caroline Rowe Gee KWCV-H3F is show as having two spouses.
The male Frances Gates Person identifier: KWCV-H3F does not exist. He is not listed in the Utah 1860, 1870, 1880, 1800 or 1910 census in Utah. He is not listed in the Tooele Cemetery records. His death is not listed in the Eastern Idaho Death Index and only one Francis Gates is listed in the Idaho Death Index, but the birth date was 10 Feb 1870, He would have been 14 years of age at the alleged marriage.

The history of Caroline Rowe Gee found at https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxseXNhbmRlcmdlZXdlYnNpdGV8Z3g6NjIzMzQyOWE4MmMzYzZjMQ

does not mention him as a spouse. His death date is not entered into the data and his birth date is only approximated. He does not have any parents listed. There are no possible duplicates listed. The marriage date is listed as 1884. At that time she was married to Robert McGavin and was not residing in Tooele, Utah.

She was married to Robert when she was 13 years of age and had her fourth child Roland in April 1883 in Tocqueville, Utah and her fifth child Emma in July 1885 in Basin, Idaho and I do not believe she was married to someone else during the interim.

When I receive instructions from you I will separate out Frances Gates from Caroline's record, because I believe that Frances does not exist.

Ivin Laurence Gee


They responded as follows:

3/28/12
3:50 AM:
Dear Ivin Gee,

Thank you for contacting FamilySearch regarding Caroline Rowe Gee with two husbands.

Her husband Robert McGavin also had two wives at the same time. Caroline Rowe Gee and Rozelia Gee. Was this a polygamous marriage?

Francis Gates obviously did exist as several people have entered him in new FamilySearch and attached him to Caroline. He is just in the wrong place. As he has been sealed to Caroline we need some more information from you.

We presume that you are a relative of Caroline but we need to confirm this.

With this information we should be able to help you.
Thank you
Sincerely,
FamilySearch


My Response was as follows:

Caroline Rowe McGavin was the second wife of Robert McGavin. His first wife was Rozelia Gee the half sister of Caroline by Lysander's second wife Theresa Bowley . They were both in a polygamous marriage.

Frances Gates as a male does not exist. There are 8 combined records for this male Frances Gates. Someone entered this in error that did not know the family. Caroline's mother Maryette Rowe was married first to Hirum/Hyrum Gates and had two daughters by that marriage. Their names were; Francis Gates Born 15 February 1847 in Council Bluffs and Elizabeth Gates born 18 Jan 1849 in Salt Lake City.

Shortly after the birth of Elizabeth, probably in the fall, Hirum Gates absconded with Emily Amanda Rockwell, Porter's daughter, and went to California to the gold fields. Hirum also left his second wife, Sarah Maria Sayles in Salt Lake City. Hirum's first wife Poly Mayo died before he married Maryette. Because Lysander Gee lived on the lot in Salt Lake City next to Hirum Gates, he took Maryette Rowe Gates as his third wife and they were sealed by Brigham Young at Lysander's home five months after the civil marriage in February of 1850.

Frances and Elizabeth were farmed out to others to raise and that is how Frances ended up in Southern Utah.

Frances Gates was Caroline Rowe Gee McGavin's half sister as they have the same mother although they were sixteen years apart. In the record of Frances Gates we find the following:

Frances Gates Person identifier: KWNW-FCK Born 1847 in Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa, Death 20 may 1925 in Kanosh, Millard, Utah

Has the following name variations in NFS

Frances Gates

Francis Gates

Frances Andrew

Frances Andrews

Frances Gates or Andres

Frances Wiley

Frances A. Andrews

Francis Andrews Gates

Sarah Frances Andrews

There are 90 combined record for this female Frances.


Hirum lived in California a short time before he died leaving Emily Amanda Rockwell Gates a very wealthy woman. She was too young to claim the inheritance without a guardian. She married again and eventually died and is buried in the Salt Lake City Cemetery.

It is my assumption that someone saw the name Frances associated with her half-sister and assumed that Frances was a male and proposed that they were husband and wife and entered the record as such, and guessed at the marriage date and birth date.

I am the great grandson of Erastus Rowe Gee, Caroline Gee McGavin's older brother.