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Wednesday, June 21, 2017

Correcting the McGee in Family Tree

On April 25th I received an e-mail from my cousin Janet Pollei.

Hi Laurence,
 I find a file for Solomon McGee #L2RY-FVH with the same birth date as Salmon Gee KWJP-41C who has a read only file, so you can't combine them.   They are both listed as children of Zopher Gee.  This information was entered a year ago by David Turley. Perhaps it is a file that can't be corrected because of the "read only" set up for the files.

 I am in hopes that you may be aware of this entry and know how it can be removed or combined.


I looked at the record on Family Tree and the sent the following to Family Search Support.

Someone has reserved ordinances for Solomon McGEE 16 October 1792 – 3 September 1845 • L2RY-FVH ​ as a child to the marriage of Zopher Gee KWVX-4VQ ​ and Esther Beckwith LZ2H-WP7 ​ on 18 April 2016
He has the same date of birth as Salmon Gee KWJP-41C who has a read only file because he was a general authority.. The date and place of death are the same as well. even if this is not reflected on Salmon's record in Family Tree. You may read his history on his record in Family Tree.
His son Lysander Gee completed all his ordinances

Solomon was not his given name and McGee was not his surname. and there are no sources attached to his record in Family Tree and the reason you gave for adding this name was GEDCOM file.

I maintain a database of 12956 individuals connected with Solomon Gee LZL9-B9S born 1698 in Devonshire, England. The name McGee does occur as some individuals changed the name, but the closest one is Solomon Everet McGee KHXC-G7Y born in 1843 in Massachusetts and died in Beaverhead, Montana in 1910, who was the son of Solomon Gee KLJJ-MCQ and Fanny Adams Wellman KLJN-B3B

Since there can be no changes to this record, I would suggest that you add his correct date of death and place of death. They are the same as noted in Solomon McGEE 16 October 1792 – 3 September 1845 • L2RY-FVH record. I have written to both individuals who have reserved ordinance for this man through Family Tree messages, because they have no other contact information. There is no need to duplicate these ordinances.

Laurence Gee
18 June 1934

Today ( June 21, 2017) I received an answer.
Dear Ivin Laurence Gee, 
RE: FamilySearch Support Case 03459562: Duplicate individuals with different names. 
Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support and bringing your concern to our attention. We have resolved your request in Family Tree and encourage you to verify that the issue has been corrected as requested.
I looked at the record and the record for Solomon McGee was no longer there. 
I wrote the following back to Janet.
They finally removed Solomon McGee in Family Tree.
This is what I wrote to Support:

Salomon Gee
1794–Deceased  •  M5V7-8KM ​ is listed as a son of Zopher Gee
Zopher Gee
1763–1829  •  KWVX-4VQ ​

Salomon's birth date is listed as 31 August 1794 in Connecticut. This record was added to Family Tree by Family Search 1 July 2012.  I put in the discussion that this man should not be merged with Salmon Gee.

If you look at the birth date of his sister according to Family Tree record you can see that
Esther Gee
1794–1849  •  L433-7YT ​ was born 6 July 1794.  As a physician, I can assure you that at that time it would have been physically impossible for two children to be born to the same mother at those times.

I would suggest that you delete Salomon Gee
1794–Deceased  •  M5V7-8KM as a child of that family.  I have documentary evidence that there were only three children born to the marriage of Zopher and
Esther Beckwith
1770–1794  •  LZ2H-WP7 ​ and Esther died ten days before Salomon Gee
1794–Deceased  •  M5V7-8KM was born.


Laurence Gee
18 June 1934
We will now see what happens at this juncture.  They never did correct Salmon’s death date on the record and I cannot do it, because the record is locked for editing.

Friday, February 24, 2017

Old money and Pride

Or the Altgelt and Stoltz families 

These two German families came to America.  They changed the spelling of their names to Stults and Outcalt or various permutations of the original. 
When I was in Germany in1997 to 2000, I started corresponding with their descendants and collecting information on the families. I filed this in my filing cabinet and added to the information from time to time. 

The other day I pulled out the folder and scanned in the documents. Then I started to enter the information into my genealogy program. I also compared this to the records in FamilyTree. 
I have spent most of the last 45 days working on this file.  Although it is not complete or edited, I will put it on my Google Drive and let those who wish to view it have access to it.  The document is 191 pages. 

Sunday, February 5, 2017

A positive outcome from being on Family Search Family Tree

I went to the mailbox January 12th and to my surprise I found the following letter from Germany.

Laurence Gee
263 Edgemont Drive,
Utah, 84054
Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika

A genealogical request
Dear Mr. Gee,
Dresden, den 6. Dezember 2016
we do not know each other, but I stumbled upon your name and address when researching
genealogical facts on my own family. It said online, that you wrote or owned a paper by the title of "Die Nachkommen des Johan Altgelt Statschoeffen zu Siegcn, Axtel Altgelt, Buenos Aires, Argentina" about the descendants of Philip Altgelt from Siegen, Germany.

Since I did not find any other information about that paper online, I decided to just write to you, asking, whether this information was right. And if so, it would be most interesting to me, knowing, if there is any way to acquire that paper for my studies. One branch of my family derives from the marriage of Adam Altgelt with Laura Tornquist, who went to Argentinia. The Altgelt-Family in Germany I am able to trace back until Henne Altgelt from Siegen, Germany, who was born 1404. But it is the stories and little side details,
that I love more than the bare facts. I hoped to find some of those in the named paper.
Is there any information, you can give me on this. I would greatly appreciate it and thank you in advance.
Witll best regards and
freundlichen Grullen,
Kai Lautenschlager

O course I had not hesitation in sending him and e-mail on the 12 January 2017.
Lieber Herr Doktor Lautenschäger,
Ich habe von Ihnen ein brief Heute bekommen.  Ich werde zwei Anhänger zu diese email zuknopfen. Leider ein Teil in English, Deutsch und Spanish.
Bitte mein schlechtes Deutsch verzheihen.  Ich habe nicht in eine lange Zeit mich in dieser Sprache geschrieben.  Ihr English is ganz gut.
Ich habe viel mehr Information.  Höffenlich werden wir uns noch mehr ins Verbindung  in der Zukunft setzen.
Viel Glück im kommenden Jahr.
I can read German and English.  I spent 5 1/2 years in Germany.  The last three years 1997-2000 in the Frankfurt area and have been to Dresden. Our son and his family are at present in Heidelberg.  He is doing research there.
I think I even had a photo of a Tornquist

Attached to this e-mail I gave him my PDF file of the Nachkommen Johannes Altgelt that I posted on Johannes’ record in Family Tree and then 23 pages of the Descendancy of George Tournquist.

He promptly responded.

Dear Dr. Gee,
I was delighted to find your email in my inbox today. Thank you very much for the documents you sent along with it. I will take my time to study them intensively and find out about the connections of both our family trees. At first glance it seems that N° 5Fiii in your list of descendants (Adelaida Casilda Emelina Tornquist) is the meeting point of our family trees and I do have a lot of information on her descendants which are not listed in your documents. She indeed is my Great great great grandmother and was already known to my own grandmother, who is doing research in the 1960s adn 1980s. At the moment I am trying to use the Internet to get more reliable sources and copies of documents to retrospectively find out about the reliability of this information and you can be sure, that I will share that information with you, in case you are interested. I will try to use the next weeks to put together a document of this part of my family tree with the sources I already have and send it to you. 

Just as a little appetiser I can tell you that the granddaughter of the above Adelaida went back to Germany and married a man from Hamburg, with whom she had my great grandmother. And the Diehl-Family mingled again with this branch of the tree.
With best regards and freundlichen Grüßen

I wrote back and sent him 4 more documents in my possession on the Altgelt family and gave him the connection of my family to the Altgelts in America. (If you want the connection just let me know.)

I ask him what kind of a doctor he was and  sent him more information on the Altgelts from my file.

He responded.

I am a physician for psychosomatic medicine and run my practice here in Dresden since 2009. Mainly I am working with behavioral psychotherapy and I am still loving, what I am doing. Seeing that you lived in Montana, it might be interesting, that in 1988/1989 I was an exchange student in Billings, MT with a very dear family. That stay taught me very much and still today I think back quite often. I even utilize it by being able to administer psychotherapy in English language for foreigners here in Dresden.

Attached you will find the link to a booklet (PDF) of the information that I have on the ancestry and descendancy of ADELAIDA Casida Emelina Tornquist so far. It is the status quo of today and lacks some corrections and additions. But rather than work on it obsessively and never finishing it, I send you this version for your information and enjoyment. Whenever I do find more details, I will certainly let you know. And of course I am highly interested in tips, corrections or critical questions you may have as well as additional information that is still lacking in the booklet.

The PDF is 18MB, so I decided to just send a link to my dropbox:

This file printed out 166 pages of genealogy.  It was interesting to note that a number of the individuals had Family Tree Ids.  I wonder if he is a member of the church?

Now I have to enter the data into my Ancestral Quest Altgelt file.

Saturday, January 28, 2017

Too Busy To Post

I have neglected to post what I have been doing, so I will give a brief account.

Report on ordinances that our family has accomplished in 2016.
Initiatory and Endowment 32
Sealings to Parents 17
Couple Sealings 2
Baptism and Confirmation 163
Initiatory 35 (separate from above)
Endowment 9 (separate from above)
There are probably more, but I didn’t keep and accurate record.

Altgelt Stoltz file

See the May post for the Altgelt Family Tree

When I was in Germany 1997-2000, I put together a file in PAF, which I named Altgelt Frankfurt. I received some documents from Beverly Bennett, a descendant of Alexander Scoby Standley.  It was a mimeographed copy of a genealogy written by Axel Altgelt who lived in Buenos Aries.  His family emigrated to Argentina and then he came back and looked at the records.  The document was called Die Nachkommen des Johannes Altgelt Statschöffen zu Siegen.  A link to this document that I edited and placed on his record in Family Tree is provided here. The document contains photos that we took when we visited the area as well as the original document.  Axel went back to Germany in 1937-38 to collect this information. Appended to this document is a Descendancy chart that I prepared from the data entered into  PAF showing the connection to Alexander Scoby Standley  and Philinda Upson his wife who were the great grandparents of my grandmother Mary Ellen Kerr Gee.  Also in this PAF file are the Stoltz family from Germany who married into the Altgelt line in America.  The name Altgelt was changed to Outcalt, Outcault, Altcelt, Outcelt, Outgelt and variations of that spelling when they came to America. The Stoltz family name changed as well to Stults, Stolts, Schulz and variations as well.  With the help of Family Tree, I have been able to add names for ordinance work on both these lines.  

When working on adding sources to this line one day, I came across a name on Find A Grave.  The information was there, but no photo of the grave as is sometimes the case.  Being curious I look at the submitter and there was an e-mail address.  I sent an e-mail and it got me in touch with Andrew Outcalt.  He is also a descendant of the Altgelts of Siegen.  He and I have corresponded and he gave me access to his site on of 24.000+ individuals.  In addition he sent me 196 pages of genealogy written in Spanish by Carlos Altgelt.  Carlos was born in Argentina and is now living in Michigan.  He wrote a book entitled “The Boy Who Never Grew Up”.  I saw a copy of the book when we visited Barbara Bennett in Preston, Idaho.  I have tried to get a copy, but it is out of print.  Andrew Outcalt sent me a file with some excerpts from the book and gave me Carlos’ e-mail address.  I have communicated with him.

I have been going through this information and comparing it with Family Tree and entering the data into my Ancestral Quest database. This database has 2,615 individuals and 857 marriages at the present time. My plan is to go through the data and add to my database and compare with Family Tree. This takes time.

There are Altgelt families that emigrated from Germany to Argentina, Uruguay, and the United States.  The earliest Altgelt is Henne Altgelt born in 1404.  There were bakers and priests (Lutheran) and even one Catholic bishop of Mainz, Germany as well a governor of the state of Illinois (John Peter Altgeld).

Butlers (the medieval kind)
I have been reviewing the Butlers of St. Brides (Sir John Butler 1285) and his posterity that lived in Dunraven Castle and updating the information in Family Tree and my database.

There are records on Family Tree that I have corrected on Thomas Lamrock Butler and his wife Dinah David.


Because Penelope Bailey was not married in the church to Joseph Brown the pastor would not christen the children with the surname of Brown and they were christened with the name Bailey.  Thus, the children on my records have the middle name of Brown and the surname of Bailey.  They apparently kept that Brown Bailey even after they moved to Utah, but it did not go more than three generations.

John Smith and Phebe Gee

I have been working on the descendents of this couple. Phebe is a descendant of Solomon Gee and Deborah Huntley.  In recent investigation and comparing with Family Tree I have been able to add individuals to this database and straighten out the records on Family Tree. There was one child of this couple that I was missing in my data.  By corresponding with Jan Byg she gave me the name (Serena/Syrena Smith) and there are three records for her in Family Tree, but none list her parents, so now we can connect the daughter and have her sealed to her parents.

Descendants of Solomon Gee and his first wife Susannah Clark

I have been going down the descendancy tree along the Powers line.  Susannah only had one child Sarah and she married James Douglas.  They had a daughter Phebe who married Nicholas Powers.  One of their children was Reverend Aaron Powers who was a Methodist Episcopal minister. He later joined the Mormon Church but became dissatisfied and joined the Missionary Baptists where he remained until his death. In Politics, Aaron was a Democrat up to the time of the Abe Lincoln nomination for president. He then switched to being a Republican.

I added a number of individuals both to Family Tree and to my database. There are 12,858 individuals in this file with 4,281 marriages. 

Descendants of Lysander Gee

I keep finding new individuals who are related to Lysander.  This file is separate from Solomon’s although it contains some of the same individuals. There are 5,598 individuals and 2,361 marriages.  I did a study and found that 20% of his descendants were either not members of the church or had had their ordinances done posthumously. Who says that all the work is done for those of pioneer ancestry?

John Ulrich Stucki

Great grandfather Stucki hired Julius Billeter to research the Stucki family in Zürich and the neighboring cantons in Switzerland.  I put all these in my Stucki database.
In addition I have a Teilungsrechnung (a document detailing the distribution of the estate of a relative Frau Elise Götz - Brack, born in 1881).  She left quite an inheritance.  My mother got 38.80 Swiss Francs. I took all these names and put them in a spreadsheet with the ID from Family Tree.  I sent the results to a cousin Afton Bartlett who works in the Family History Library.  There were a few individuals that were not in Family Tree.  They will need to have their ordinance work done.

I have printed and bound the following documents.
Solomon Gee Descendants one Generation
Letters from Laurence to Alice 1958
Letters from Hawaii 1984-1985 from Pearl Gee
Surname Gee in my database
The Gee-Crouch families
The Ancestors and the Children of John Wright Clark and Myrtie Julia Cowen
John Wright Clark and Myrtie Julia Cowen and their Family
Descendants of John William Trussell
Journal of Marion Joseph Kerr 1892

Donated the missionary Journals on CD of William Erastus Gee and Robert H Skelton to the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU.

Saturday, May 21, 2016

Catching up

I have not been posting to this blog, but have been busy.

I sent this as an e-mail to my cousins and family.

A few weeks ago I was on Family Search because someone had made a change on a record that I had put a watch on. 

It led me to pull out my Stoltz/Stults files. I had received quite a lot of information from a lady by the name of Denise Rosenbluth. She and a lady by the name of Ora Porter Wood had done a great amount of research on this family. 

I had not been working on this line since I was in Germany. I had entered the names into PAF and called it my Altgelt Frankfurt file. 

I came across someone in Family Tree who had a source from Find A Grave. When I looked at the record I was curious as to who had entered the information since there was no cemetery noted in Germany. 

I emailed him and he replied and gave me access to his website with 24,000 individuals going back to 1404.  His name is Andrew Outcalt.

I have received some files from him, which I would like to share with you. 

I have been working on the Stambaum pictured above and making sure that all the names are in Family Tree. 

This is a preliminary report. I am happy to answer any questions you might have. I have a great deal of work yet to do.  I attached a tree document to show how my family is connected to the Altgelts.

Monday, January 25, 2016

More correspondance with Family Search

Details: Laura Gee 1878-Deceased • 9NQL-T1X listed as Male Laura Gee 1878-Deceased • 9VY9-3B5 Female. She is listed as a female in this family in the 1880 and the 1900 census I am unable to merge these two because of the difference in sexes. Please refer to Data Administration

Details: Harry Lukin 23 April 1897 – Deceased • L76B-JLK Female the source lists this as questionable sex. Parents are John Lukin Deceased • L76B-JLL Ernnretta Ken Deceased • L76B-JLG Here is the real Harry Harry Lukin 1897-1967 • KZZ4-WZZ He is a male. Parents are John Luken 1858-Deceased • KHYT-3D2 Emeretta Kerr 1860-1880 • LCVD-3F Because the two Harrys are of different sex I cannot merge them. I have eliminated the duplication of parents and now both Harrys appear in the same family. One with a birth date 2 days after the other. I would appreciate it if you could send this to Data Administration for correction.

Monday, January 4, 2016

More merging in Family Tree

In looking at the descendants of Solomon Gee database, I found the following information. It comes through the descendants of Salmon Gee.  

Annie Marilla Davis KWCF-64W 8 July 1875 – 1 April 1971
All ordinances complete
Annie Mayrilla Davies
8 July 1875 – Deceased • K2W9-MFN

ordinances only partially complete, but the baptism and confirmation dates are the same for both individuals..

Seem to be the same individual. I am unable to merge.
Laurence Gee, M.D.

Dear Ivin Laurence Gee,

RE: Annie Marilla Davis KWCF-64W

Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support and bringing your concern to our attention.  The duplicate membership records have been combined into the Person Identification (ID) referenced above.


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