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On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:14 AM, <support@familysearch.org> wrote:
Dear Ivin Gee,
Thank you for your reply giving us more information.
Are you now saying that Francis Gates was a femail? ( female) If so we need some proof of that.
Yes Frances Gates was a female. Please see the previous e-mail.
I think that the fact that I outlined the reasons in the previous e-mail should be sufficient.
1. Caroline was married to Robert McGavin at the age of 13. She was still married to Robert at the time of the alleged marriage to the non-existant Frances Gates and living in Idaho at the time of the alleged marriage to the non-existant Frances Gates in Tooele and had 9 children by Robert McGavin after the alleged marriage.
2. All of the dates in this alleged marriage and Frances Gates birth dates are approximations.
3. There are no discoverable records of this marriage.
4. Frances Gates as a male does not appear in any census records or death records from that time.
5. I have e-mailed all of the contributors and none have responded.
6. There are 12 contributors to Frances Gates Records. Four of these have email addresses. Six of the records come from the Ancestral File and one comes from the Pedigree Resource File and four are from Family Search. One of the submitters to Ancestral File was llgee2825381. I am sure that this was my uncle Lynn Lamar Gee who is deceased. E-mail to this address returned the following response.
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
llg1912@juno.com
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 llg1912@juno.com is not a valid user (state 14).
I would expect this because he is deceased.
I think that the fact that I outlined the reasons in the previous e-mail should be sufficient.
1. Caroline was married to Robert McGavin at the age of 13. She was still married to Robert at the time of the alleged marriage to the non-existant Frances Gates and living in Idaho at the time of the alleged marriage to the non-existant Frances Gates in Tooele and had 9 children by Robert McGavin after the alleged marriage.
2. All of the dates in this alleged marriage and Frances Gates birth dates are approximations.
3. There are no discoverable records of this marriage.
4. Frances Gates as a male does not appear in any census records or death records from that time.
5. I have e-mailed all of the contributors and none have responded.
6. There are 12 contributors to Frances Gates Records. Four of these have email addresses. Six of the records come from the Ancestral File and one comes from the Pedigree Resource File and four are from Family Search. One of the submitters to Ancestral File was llgee2825381. I am sure that this was my uncle Lynn Lamar Gee who is deceased. E-mail to this address returned the following response.
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
llg1912@juno.com
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 llg1912@juno.com is not a valid user (state 14).
I would expect this because he is deceased.
Looking at the combined records for Caroline Record #8 contains 18 combined records listing both Robert Mc Gavin and Frances Gates as spouses. Record # 25 is from the Ancestral File submitted by my uncle Lynn and has both spouses listed. Records # 32 and 33 both have both spouses listed. Record # 37 has only Frances Gates listed as a spouse and was submitted by Family Search. Record # 42 has only Frances Gates listed as a spouse and was submitted by Family Search and probably ancestral file. Record # 55 was submitted by Deanna Birdzell Record # 58 lists only Frances Gates as the spouse and was contributed by Family Search.
Please confirm what your relationship is to this family.
This is a direct quote from the previous e-mail. I am the great grandson of Erastus Rowe Gee, Caroline Gee McGavin's older brother.
Let me now go through the relationship in detail. Lysander Gee and Maryette Rowe Gates Gee had 9 children. Erastus Rowe Gee was the second child and second son. His son was William Erastus Gee. His son was Ivin Lafayette Gee. His son was me, Ivin Laurence Gee.
Caroline Rowe Gee McGavin was the seventh child of Lysander and Maryette.
This would make her my great grand aunt.
There are two GEDCOM files on the internet listing Caroline Gee McGavin. Only one by Elbert Richard Brower lists a Frances Gates. He gives no sources for the entry and no dates of birth, death or marriage.
It is my contention that Frances Gates as a male does not exist. Someone picked up this name and it was probably picked up by a number of other individuals and perpetuated with out anyone checking the validity of the data.
The sealings of Caroline to Frances were done in Cardston in 1992 and Los Angeles later.
I do not know what more information that you need to correct this error.
Sincerely,
Let me now go through the relationship in detail. Lysander Gee and Maryette Rowe Gates Gee had 9 children. Erastus Rowe Gee was the second child and second son. His son was William Erastus Gee. His son was Ivin Lafayette Gee. His son was me, Ivin Laurence Gee.
Caroline Rowe Gee McGavin was the seventh child of Lysander and Maryette.
This would make her my great grand aunt.
There are two GEDCOM files on the internet listing Caroline Gee McGavin. Only one by Elbert Richard Brower lists a Frances Gates. He gives no sources for the entry and no dates of birth, death or marriage.
It is my contention that Frances Gates as a male does not exist. Someone picked up this name and it was probably picked up by a number of other individuals and perpetuated with out anyone checking the validity of the data.
The sealings of Caroline to Frances were done in Cardston in 1992 and Los Angeles later.
I do not know what more information that you need to correct this error.
Sincerely,
Please reply using your e-mail reply function.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
FamilySearch
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